Aida Pickering (00:00.000)

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Aida Pickering (00:31.83)

All right, folks, welcome back to another episode of the Unscripted Podcast. I am your host, Aida Oldman. And I do have a special guest with us today, Fatima Bey. Thank you so much for coming on the show. How are you today?

Thank you for having me.

Absolutely. All right, girl. So I have read through your summary, but just like we like to do with every guest, tell us a bit about yourself. What makes you this incredible businesswoman and coach and teacher? We want to know from you who you are. Share with us.

Well, to give you kind of a brief summary, I am a dual entrepreneur, first of all. That means that I have two businesses. The first business that I started many years ago at this point is called Mayabishai and I am a professional seamstress, dressmaker, designer and sewing teacher. So I specialize in wedding gowns. I make and design wedding gowns. And we're heading into wedding and prom season right now. So woohoo. I actually look forward to it. It's a different kind of busy, but I look forward to it because I like it.

and, also I am a mind shift coach. Okay. So, that means especially niche life coach in short, for those who don't understand what that means. My focus is to shift your thinking. Like I don't just give you tips and tell you what to do. I literally shift your thinking before I do anything else. Then we can talk about tips and everything else. So that that's, that's my methodology, but my areas of focus as far as coaching goes, our balance.

Fatima Bey (02:04.886)

because everything in life that works has balance and all of us are in balance somewhere. So I help people to find their balance in whatever particular area they need balance in. And I don't mean chemical, mental, that kind of balance. I mean, you go too far in one direction when it comes to relationships and you just need to be balanced. So you go too far at work, which causes problems. You just need some balance and then you'll work.

And one of my other focuses is, Helping you to find your purpose and your, your specific individual purpose. And I am unafraid to dive in there and be really specific. Sometimes people are general because it's the safety zone. I don't believe in safety zones. I believe in, being real and effective. So I help you to find your individual purpose. I don't just tell it to you. I'll help you to find it yourself. And then, I also help you once you find your purpose.

I'm a firm believer that you should take your purpose and make money with it. So helping you to take your purpose, passion, gifts and talents, which really at the end of the day, they're all part of the same thing and turn that into a career or business, you know? And then my other focus, my other fourth focus is teenagers. And I have a, so I'm also a host of MindShift Power podcast. It's a podcast for genes and the adults who work with them.

I also do speaking engagements, public speaking, a lot of online stuff nowadays. And I also go to high schools and do workshops. I do online workshops as well. So all of that is wrapped up into my mind shifting.

Yes, mean, absolutely. mean, there was no way that I was going to be able to share all of that. And that's why I love giving this space for a guest to just, you know, tell us a bit about who they are, because you don't want to take away from all the experiences that led you to where you are today and being able to build the business that you have and go to the speaking events and really work with people that are ready to shift their mindset, you know, maybe from effects to growth or even just finding their passion. feel that

Aida Pickering (04:17.4)

That's like, what's your purpose is such a big question that it does require work, right? And so a lot of the times it's something that you can't do it on your own unless you really have a lot of time for you to dive into what that will really look like. But it's nice to have someone that can actually that has the experience in helping you, know, shift that mindset, right? It's nice to have someone that has done the work themselves and that have

ultimately built a framework that has worked with other people that you're using over and over again. Obviously it's customized, right? You know, it's not like one size fits all, right? So I love that you have found that passion for yourself where you want to help people be the best of themselves by finding their true passion in life. The big question that I have, because finding your purpose,

Absolutely not,

Aida Pickering (05:13.888)

or knowing what is your why is so hard, how do you do that with your clients? I know you said you will ask the tough questions, you will help them get there, but what does that exactly look like? If I were to want to work with you, what does that look like?

Well, without giving away all my secrets, I'll give you the generalities without and not all the details because the generalities, you know, the principles by which I work and then the details are going to change per person because everybody, you know, as you said, doesn't operate the same. So actually I don't approach everybody the same. I don't even use the same verbiage with everyone because I assess who I'm talking to first and then I approach them with the words that are going to be effective for them.

I'm not interested in being impressive as much as I'm interested in being impactful. So that mindset is my mindset as a leader, as a speaker, as a teacher, as a podcast host. So with that mindset is how I dive into coaching or working with someone. One of the first things that we need to think about, what I'm gonna say you've heard other people say,

in different places, but I don't usually hear people say this all in one place. So one of the first things you want to look at when it comes to finding your purpose is what did you dream of when you were a child? Because let's back up a little bit. Let's go a little deeper into just the surface conversations people typically have. Let's back up a little bit. If I want you to sweep the floor, what do I need to give you?

the tools to be able to sweep the floors for the broom.

Fatima Bey (07:06.382)

Exactly. I need to give you a broom. I don't know if you believe in God or not, but I do. And that's where I come from. So that's what I'm going to talk from. Yeah. When God created you, when he created me, he had a purpose in mind. He said, I need XYZ done. I'm going to create Ada. I'm going to create Fatima. And then now that I need her to do this, I need to give her the setup for it.

We call those gifts and talents. So when we, those dreams that we were literally born with, we need to go back to them and revisit them. What did I dream of as a child? Now, in most cases, unfortunately, and this is not just an American thing. I don't care what culture you come from. Most of our cultures beat it out of us. When I was little, I used to dream of being a lawyer.

and you've been told how stupid you are most of your life. You've been told what a loser you are. You've been shown that you're from the ghetto. You're from the sticks. You're poor. You can't do nothing. Blah, blah, blah. Whatever the details are. You don't speak English well enough. You're stupid. Whatever the details are, it's been beaten out of you. So now you no longer believe in that dream you were born to do. So then you start working a job and you're miserable. You're doing drugs. You're having sex with everybody. You're doing this. You're doing that. You're trying to find a relationships.

but you're not finding the happiness that you meant to have because you still not fulfilling your purpose because you run it from it because you believe the bullshit you were sold. So that's a part of it. Let's go back to your childhood. I'm just explaining why. What did you dream when you were a child? The second thing that you want to look at is what pisses you off? Now let me be more specific when I say that.

I don't just mean it pisses me off when people leave the milk on the counter when it should go in the fridge. No, I mean, what gets you righteously angry? What gets you so upset? It is so wrong that things are out of order. And some people like seriously get upset about that. Sometimes there's a reason for that. They're not weird. They're not strange. That's actually where they're gifted.

Aida Pickering (09:23.129)

Okay, okay.

What makes you mad? Children being abused. That's my example, because that's me. People who misuse and abuse young women and children. Nothing gets me more angry and makes me just want to see red and wish the purge was real. Let's just say that. You know, nothing makes me more angry. But those are the things that I, because those are the things that I meant to work on and focus on. And that is what I do. I do tend to work with young women a lot and women.

They'll send to me my focuses and children. used to teach Sunday school. I've worked with children all my life. He's a youth coordinator. I just in different capacities. I, you know, I've done a lot with children, but so what you are meant, what the thing that angers you the most, the thing that with righteous indignation, it's probably the thing you're meant to change. There's a reason why certain things piss me off that don't bother you that much. And I'm not talking about irritations.

I mean, righteous indignation, because that's a different level of what makes you angry. That's number two. Number three, what are your gifts and talents?

Well, that's a tough question.

Fatima Bey (10:36.67)

Number one was your dream. Number three is what are your gifts and talents? And that is a tough one. And the reason it's a tough one, because again, it's beaten out of us through our society, through our families, through our culture, through whatever, because the details are going to be different for each of us. But we're told what we're supposed to be and what we're not supposed to be and what we're good enough for and what we're not good enough for, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So we're just never told that we have any talent. We're just raised to breathe and eat and fart and watch TV.

And that's it. You know what saying? We're not, we're not told anything. know, nobody points out to us what our gifts and talents are. That's not true for everyone, but that's true for a lot of people or the people around them just don't recognize it. And so they don't know to say, you know, it's not that everybody rounds them a jerk, a jerk or something. It's just that sometimes they don't know. I don't know what your gifts and talents are. So I don't know what state you. So you have to go on a journey of self discovery for yourself. You cannot expect anybody to walk up to you and hand you

your life's book and say, here you go. Here's all the answers for you. Life is about you finding it. That's how you build yourself. That's how you build strength. That's how you develop. It's not supposed to be easy. Duh. Everything is an easy person. but if you take those three things and you marry them together, that's when you could find the right career. So, you know, you go from purpose to my purpose is to help.

children. Okay, there's about 40 different positions in which you can do that. So take the, let's take those three things and marry them and you'll be able to narrow down what positions are gonna work for you and then you'll be fulfilled. You know what's not fulfilling? Money. Money can buy you stuff, but it can't fulfill you.

And that's the problem. Cause if it could fulfill you, would be no rich people killing themselves. There'd be no rich people depressed. There'd be no rich people in rehab. And we have all of that because money isn't the answer. Money answers things. It answers stuff and money's great. And we should, we should definitely have some. There's nothing wrong with going after it. Absolutely nothing wrong going after it. But when we try to put a square peg in a round hole, which is what we're doing when we seek after money as the top priority.

Fatima Bey (13:01.536)

It doesn't fit. And then we actually end up more miserable. it's what? Go ahead.

No, no, no, no. I'll let you finish because I have a couple of questions here to hit you with.

It's why I'm so it's part of reason I'm sure you can hear my passion. I'm so passionate about people finding that because when you find that your happiness isn't in a one, two, three step, your happiness isn't fulfilling your purpose. A dog is happiest being a dog. A dog is not happy trying to fly cause he doesn't have damn wings. You know, and so often we are trying, we're, you know, we're a parakeet trying to be a giraffe. It doesn't work.

when else are you not? Yes.

And because we don't know who we are, just believe whatever we're sold. Which sidebar is one of the reasons why...

Fatima Bey (13:56.524)

women who get into prostitution, sexual exploitation of all of its kinds, because there's many different kinds, 99 % of the reason, they didn't know who they were and some little pimp asshole told them who they were and they believed it. And they took it because they had no other answer. And I'm not just saying that off of a concept at top of my head. I'm saying that because I've actually worked intimately with people in that industry and victims as well.

Well, here is a couple of questions for you because I mean, you make a very good point because you see that every day where people end up doing things that you wonder why. You end up wondering why they became a drug dealer. You wonder why they ended up being part of it, you know, a gang, you know, you wonder why, you know, they started a certain way. maybe it's just they started being successful for a reason. Maybe they were chasing money and then all of a sudden they lost it all and they're unhappy.

You you wonder like why people went into certain directions in their lives, but I absolutely agree when you say that when we don't know who we are, we end up taking any path that comes to us because there are opportunities every single day. There are opportunities every single day. are different paths we can take every single day, but some can look very attractive, but you have to know the reason why you're pursuing those opportunities.

Because if you don't know what you want, you're pursuing them, you will get to that finish line and you'll say, wow, this finish line was not what I expected. I actually wanted something else. I wanted something more. So one of the things that I wanna say that really, that I feel like we don't talk enough about, and actually we get shut down a lot is when someone is angry and the word that's usually used is passionate about something. I feel like when you say someone is passionate about something,

it kind of has like, like, I'll take for example, in corporate America, where it says, she's too passionate. It has a negative connotation. So then he then internalize that and do not think about why we're so passionate about certain things. Again, like being shut down by society's, know, expectations of you when what you should look like, what you should be.

Aida Pickering (16:19.852)

And so when you hear passionate, you're like, okay, well, I guess I'm not supposed to be passionate, but you're right. When you're so passionate about something, there is a message, there is a whisper there. Why are you so passionate about this? Why are you so angry about something that you feel isn't right? And what can you actually do about it? So I love how you put that. Think about how angry you are certain situations. Not every day-to-day things.

the clock, well, the daylight saving, you know, I get upset at it every, every spring. I'm like, my gosh, I'm losing an hour, you know, like.

I know I hate that.

Yes. And so how do you get so obviously when you're you're having these conversations with people and you're getting them to be more vulnerable about, you know, the things that get them upset. How do you help them judge what is that angry passionate thing? Because we can be angry about so many things. Right? Right. How do you how do you differentiate differentiate something that yes, you can be angry about because you're human versus

You're angry about this because this could be your life's purpose. How do you help them make that difference between the two?

Fatima Bey (17:41.038)

I usually can see it right away. Like literally I can see it right away, but I don't tell them because as a coach, I don't want to just give you information that doesn't help you be telling you, here, you're meant to be such and such. then now go on that path. That's, that's, that's not an anchor for you to continue on that just because I said so you need to discover it for yourself. So I will ask very specific questions in the midst of conversation. it depends on the details I give me.

And I'll ask, okay, what do you think that is? And I'll start to list things off and then I'll say, okay, and we'll talk about each one and then I'll break it down. Are you, you angry when people stub your toe? Okay. We all are big deal. You angry when someone jumps in front of you. Okay. That's normal. Are you angry when someone jumps in front of you, but also equally angry when someone jumps in front of you in line? Are you also equally angry?

When someone else does the same thing with a different look to it. Okay. Now let's talk about what the root of that is. So it is, there's a lot of psychology involved. So sometimes it's because of what was done to you, but sometimes it's because basically in short, look for patterns. What I look for is patterns. There are many details that I can't stay here because this is not long enough, but there are a lot of details that go along with that. But in short, what I look for.

Hatter. Yes.

Fatima Bey (19:09.676)

and listen for his patterns. And what I get them to see is patterns. And then we talk about the explanation of them because then they can see, so what really bothers me is when an underdog is mistreated. The girl who always stuck up, the boy who always stuck up for somebody at school that they didn't even freaking know. There's a reason for that. They're usually the youth advocate. They're usually the one who's meant to be a family lawyer.

or, you know, whatever, there are many different positions in which you can take that talent. So what people have to recognize is transferable skills. That's the term we use in corporate America, but it's really your gifts and talents and okay, where can you apply them? Cause there's so many different ways. in order, know, basically to get people to recognize it is I get them to see it through a series of questions and a discussion with their details, not just generalized.

All purpose, I don't do all purpose messages, even my podcast episodes. I'm not talking to everybody and I don't plan on ever talking to everybody. I'm talking to very specific people because I don't believe in watered down messages because a watered down medication doesn't work, it?

Nope, absolutely not.

Did I answer that well?

Aida Pickering (20:25.614)

You certainly did. You certainly did. I love that. Love that. okay. So what is coaching or yeah, what does coaching look like with you? So like, let's say someone is listening to the show right now and they're like, you know what? I like Fatima's vibe. I like how she's just like really speaking to me. And I feel like I really need to talk to someone like her and try to dive into like who I want to be and really try to understand what my passion in life or my purpose in life is. Where did I start?

Okay, where do they reach out to you? And then do you have like a program? And is there like a length of that program that you can share with us? Yes.

So what I do is I do customize packages. I did used to have preset packages, but I found that they don't work with most people. I don't just sit there and go, well, six weeks and we're done. So some people, six weeks and we are done because they're far enough ahead that that's all they need. Some people need two years. Some people need, you know, so we all need different things. So I customize the package, but everything is communicated upfront. not like,

a surprise later or something. So it's a discussion between the two of us and an agreement before we get anything started. But with me, I really like to get to know the person and find out what their real needs are. And they need to be ready to for change. Because some people, I'll tell you, I'll be real honest with you. Those who are looking to come to a coach because you want somebody to powder your booty, please pass me by. I don't want you. I don't want to be bothered with you. I don't waste my time with you. I want real results. I really get a thrill out of watching people

change for real and be better. So I get fulfillment out of it too. And I will be very disappointed if I can't make change. You can't make change with somebody who's not willing to change. So number one, be really, be willing for change for real. And I'll walk you through it. will, and you can go through it your own pace. You don't have to go at my pace because everybody's pace isn't the same. And I do understand that I customize everything. but in order to, for people to find me, just go to my name, Fatima Bay.com F A T

Fatima Bey (22:30.486)

I-M-A-B-E-Y dot com. And all of my information is there. Yeah, and even if you Google my name, you'll just, you'll find a lot. It's all me.

So it's customizable. You're obviously very relatable. We got the website. We'll make sure that we add that in the show notes so folks can just click on it and go straight to your website. You know, one thing that really stood out to me real quick before we wrap up today is I'm actually curious, how do you find balance between coaching and being a seamstress? I love wedding dresses, by the way. I wish I could wear wedding dresses every single day, but how do you find balance between the two?

I won't lie, it's hard. It is very hard. The good thing about the bridal business is it's seasonal. It's also the bad thing about the bridal business. I'm extremely, extremely, extremely, extremely organized. I have to be. And I'm very stingy with my time. I have to be. So I try to be as efficient as possible and automate everything that I can. Some things can't be automated, but...

I try to automate everything I can. And I always am learning more. Like I will never stop learning. I never think I know everything. Even as a, I'm a master seamstress, literally that's my title. I will never stop learning, try to learn more. I watch other YouTube videos because there might be something else I could learn.

Yeah, obviously. Yeah, we all learn something. I mean, we learn something new every single day. Absolutely agree with that.

Fatima Bey (24:06.424)

For me, I will not lie. It has not been easy trying to balance the two, but what my initial intent was by doing both was to use my already established sewing business to make sure that I'm paying the bills while building the mind shifting business, while building the coaching business. I am still in that process. So that is how I'm doing it is I'm shifting over to

I have been and like I said, still in the process of shifting over to primarily focusing on the mind shifting. Yes. So, it's not easy.

love the fact that you're actually in two businesses that kind of work hand in hand because I think about when I was getting married last year and know, wedding planning and trying to find the right dress and you know, making sure that I was happy with it and I would have appreciated if the person that was helping me figure out my dress that they had inspirational things to say or like they had

ways to help me calm down as a bride-to-be and just make that whole experience a little bit more exciting. mean, it was exciting because family was there and all those things, but there were moments where I was doubting, okay, does the dress look right? Or maybe I'm overthinking it, or okay, yes, I mean, it's gonna be like a wedding in Mexico, so it's gonna be hot. Am I thinking too much into this? I'm spending a whole hour or so trying to figure this out.

And I think sometimes it's nice to have someone just say those very key words. You wouldn't be telling me, this is the dress you need because this isn't that. You would be most likely asking me questions. Now, me get to that, yes, this is the dress I want or you know what, maybe let's do more tweaks or maybe let me look at other dresses. So I absolutely love that you have actually paired those two together. So that's awesome.

Fatima Bey (26:07.734)

It's interesting that you say that because most people actually don't, don't connect those dots. but you're absolutely, you're absolutely right. and that's one of the reasons why I have been doing it for so long because, and, I work by appointment only, I do not have a storefront. I all of each location that I've had my business in what it passed to have been in business buildings, office buildings that you don't suspect me to be in.

Okay. And then I'll convert it into a shop and I do that on purpose because I don't want walk-ins. I don't want people disturbing my time with, with my customer. And I give people that one-on-one service and I absolutely love it because it is an opportunity. I, I can tell you so many, so often, it's not like this happens every single time with every customer, you know, I'm not super woman, but very often with customers, know, a wedding is a stressful time and they will start talking to me about.

this, what they've been going through with their family and what they're dealing with and what's stressing them out and dah, dah, dah, dah, I'm, I'm, I'm an objective listener. So it's easy to talk to me and I'm not going to run around, the newspaper or anything. know what I mean? So people do it sometimes they need that, that stress relief, you know, and then sometimes I can tell that they're stressed when they come in. And, by the time they see me, they're, they're not as stressed, but

Once in a while, you know, I see somebody, they're very stressed and I could tell. So I start cracking stupid jokes that you can't help but to laugh at because they're just not to laugh at. Right. I do that a lot. use humor as a tool quite often because people need it. You know, I see the people need it. So marrying the two. I also want to say doing the two together. Yes. I'm a dual entrepreneur and yes, parts of it is working, but there's also parts that haven't worked. There's also some failures that I've made.

And I'm not going to lie about that because I don't want people to think that, well, she just has superpowers. That's why she can do it. Nah, I'm just as human as the rest of y'all. And I haven't made some mistakes in trying to figure out how to balance all of that out. But those mistakes make you better, you know? And I'm going to use those mistakes to teach others.

Aida Pickering (28:22.306)

Love it. my gosh, you couldn't have said that any better. my gosh, this is so, so good, guys. I I absolutely encourage folks listening right now, reach out to Fatima. I feel that in just a little bit that I've been able to talk to you right now, I can really see that you care about really the person that you're talking to. You're not about necessarily like the, my gosh, I have a new client and I get to help them see their purpose, but then you're really not

helping with the process, right? You're just there for, just because you're a coach, right? You care about the people that you work with. That's at least what I get. And you're really trying to really make an impact in those lives. And hopefully those are like, you know, it's like a ripple effect, right? You impact that person's life and then it can also impact the lives of people around them. And I honestly think that because you have something that

helps touch so many different lives. mean, if you work with a mom, I'm sure that by her aligning on the things that she wants to improve on or her finding what that purpose is in her life, she will pass that on to her kid. And maybe that kid will end up working with you, right? Because again, you work with kids as well. I just feel like it's a beautiful circle where we end up like having some support in this journey called life.

There's no better journey than that of self-development and to have someone as a coach like yourself be able to support us in that process. I mean, what more can you ask for, right? Every single day is different. Every single day you wake up, life will feel different. But what if you were able to have like a set of tools, right? Just like you said, you know, when God created us, he said, okay, here's what you'll need to go through the motions of life, right?

So if you have a coach that allows you to have in your toolbox, things that will help you manage how you feel, how you think, and ultimately getting to that big why that we all wanna know, I mean, this is pretty awesome. I love this.

Fatima Bey (30:32.842)

I want to say one more thing. also believe, I don't focus on only your personal goals, only your business goals. You are one person doing both. So I focus on you. And if you are in the right mindset, cause everything we do comes from in our brains first before we act on it. So everything, if your mindset is correct, we will start to see it manifest itself in your career, in your business.

in your home, with your friends, at your parties, because you are in all those places. And the good you and the messed up you is in all those places too. So, you know, dealing with your mentality and dealing with your mindset is, is important. And it's important to shift your thinking so that you can be successful because sometimes we keep walking on a broken leg and wondering why we can't run, duh. Let's fix the leg.

I love that. There is one thing I do have to ask you real quick. So I love that you called yourself the mind shifter or the mind shift coach. It looks like in a notes that you shared, which I feel like we should, we should definitely mention here. I mean, you, want best of Albany 2022 in a category, right? She also has YouTube channel folks. mean, you'll see that on her website.

And obviously, like she said, she's most of her podcasts, MindShift Power podcast. So I don't know, I just wanted to just highlight this because I was looking at your summary real quick because I was really impressed by the bio that you sent to us. So again,

to add something. didn't put this in the bio. So you didn't even know this, but I want everybody listening to go to mind shift power podcast and listen to episode number two. number two is a 17 year old girl. It's called real change. A 17 year old girl that when I met her, had no self. She had very low self-esteem. She had no idea that she was gifted, that she's intelligent.

Fatima Bey (32:43.49)

and that she has a purpose. She now knows what that purpose is. She was just accepted into a good college. She's going to become a family lawyer and she's literally on the track to do that. When I met her, she wasn't even sure she was going to finish high school. Wow. And she was in a toxic relationship. That's so she, if you want to hear what my coaching actually looks like, listen to her, listen to her.

You heard it folks, episode two, go check it out right now. Fatima, if there was something of an advice that you could give to somebody right now listening to the show, what would that be? Or what was the best advice that you've ever given to somebody or that you've ever received? What would that be?

those are different questions.

We're both, I guess.

I would say start to question how you view yourself and why. Why do I think XYZ about myself? Good or bad? Why do I think? Cause if we start to examine that, it'll take us down a rabbit hole that will lead to other things. And when you start to do that, self discovery becomes a lot easier, but you got to be open to it first.

Fatima Bey (33:58.638)

Absolutely. If you want to be comfortable, then you're not looking to grow. You should probably move on. Go have a party and sit down and go nowhere. But if you're looking to grow, would start, I would start there with some introspection and asking why is the first part. There's so many things I could say, but I know that a lot of introspection, true, real and deep, not shallow, not surface, but real deep introspection is actually what is needed.

for most people who are looking for a quick fix. And introspection is not a quick fix. Sorry, it's not. And I know that that is one of the greater needs. So that's why I'm saying that as advice when I could say many other things. One of the greatest needs I see is the willingness to do that. That might be uncomfortable, but you gotta get uncomfortable if you wanna grow.

Yeah. All right, folks, you have two homework. And it's a question, good or bad, whatever comes up to you, do the work and to go listen to episode two of our podcast. Fatima, it's been a pleasure having you on the show. Thank you so much for making the time. I absolutely enjoyed talking to you. Simone was jealous that she couldn't be here and enjoy this convo with you. But yes, thank you again. And I do hope that we talk to you very soon.

Thank you for having me, I really appreciate it.

Bye!

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Bye bye.

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